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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:48

Help Garrus mission.
  • Just entered the big construction room where Harkin is (whom Garrus is going to intimidate to get more info on Sidonis). Standing next to a pile of pipes while shooting at robots, Shepard suddenly airlifts. No way down, easy target. Dead.

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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:48

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  • Sudden airlift next to a rock. No escape. Reload savegame.

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  • New Game (2nd)
    Blue Suns running out the frontdoor and starting shooting, Shepard when taking cover to regain health, suddenly rises above the rock! Easy target, dead. :roll:

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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:48

Joab Dig Site.
  • At start of level, after killing all enemies coming out of the front door. Then walking around the area, close to the front door, Shepard suddenly airlifts halfway the height of a tall rock. Stuck there. Can walk on the invisible floor around and through the rock. Squad as usual accompanies.
    No escape, no way down. Reload quicksave. :roll:

    This rock (closest to the center):

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    Into the rock:

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    Inside the rock:

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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:48

MSV Strontium Mule.
  • The very first area. Covered behind the most obvious first tall crate when entering the room, using the sniper rifle to kill enemies, Shepard suddenly airlifts onto the top of the crate. Easy target for the heavy ammo fired at her. No escape. Dead. :fp:

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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:49

BEING LIFTED ON TOP OF CRATE IS COMMON IN THIS GAME
Many many times walking alongside a small crate Shepard suddenly lifts on top of it, but quickly gravity corrects it and she proceeds. So it's not necessarily game-stopping, and it wouldn't be a problem if this were all about it. But in reality, the ease and frequency of this shows that the base for the serious airlifting bug (with no way down or escape except reload quicksave) is omnipresent in the game. :thdown:




  • Help Garrus mission.
    After killing the mechs, turning around to the far backside of the platform to have an overview of the room to see if there's maybe some ammo to go back for, sudden airlift next to a crate, and squad joins lift. Luckily not too hard to escape down again.

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    Oh and going back for ammo is made impossible anyway but i didn't realise that first.



  • Normandy's Lab.
    Walking next to a table Shepard suddenly airlifts. Luckily, easy way down.

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  • Briefing/Comm Room
    Sudden airlift onto the armfence (word?). Luckily, easy way down.
    At this edge of it:
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  • Squad airlift while Shepard stays on ground

    Unexpected airlifting keeps happening. on various spots in every mission. Happens not only to Shepard with squad following, but squad can fly while Shepard stays down.

    Like at the forelast section of Justicar mission...:

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    while i'm firing at the Gunship, my squad is standing high up in the air. Can say i know that place, been there myself a lot... :-|-:
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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 14 Mar 2010, 15:49

Start New Game (3d).
Lazarus Research Station
  • after killing the very first robots. Sudden airlift when picking up the Grenade Launcher (and walking towards the fence). Haven't even killed the drones yet. No escape.

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    Walking over the fence, and descending onto invisible surface, killing the drones below (hoping that helps).

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    Miranda keeps saying "Use the elevator to get down one floor" But it is impossible to reach it! :mad:

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    "Reload Autosave" refuses to load (corrupted?)!. nothing happens. :smh:
    Last resort: Restart mission. :smh:
    GODDAMMIT and the "Restart Mission" is a save from my previous Game (imported career)! :smh:
    Well...
    EXIT GAME - START NEW GAME.
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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 21 Mar 2010, 02:01

  • Zanethu - MSV Estevanico Crash Site mission
    • Airlift just before the endpoint. Unreachable, and no escape. No autosave is made here, so: Restart mission. :yawn:

      Stuck here. You can't see it in the picture, but Shepard is here standing a meter above the beam. And cannot proceed. Unable to step off, or walk forward.

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      Can walk to the right, on an invisible surface in the air above the deep.

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      Even more to the right in the air... but cannot manipulate Shepard back onto any solid surface around.

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      Restart mission.
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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 21 Mar 2010, 04:19

  • Daratar - Eclipse Cache (secure cargo)
  • While firing at one of the giant Mechs, Shepard suddenly is lifted on top of rock, the few first ones on the area. No pictures, went too quick. And it's obvious which rocks they are.

Repeatedly restart mission. Or rather reload quicksave that includes my squad selection and ammo selection per gun, otherwise i'd have to repeat that everytime too.
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Workhorse PC: * Intel i7 2700K @ 4.8 Ghz * Noctua NH-D15 * Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z * 32 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro CMY32GX3M4A1866C9 * Sapphire HD7970 crossfire * 3 x Dell U2410 @ Eyefinity 5760 x 1200 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 1000i * 7 x WD Black HDDs * Creative Soundblaster ZxR * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Imperator 2012 * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Edifier S730D * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *

Workhorse PC 2: * Intel i7 920 @ 3.8 Ghz * Zalman CNPS9900A LED * Asus Sabertooth x58 * 24 GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 * Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X * 2 x Dell U2412M @ Eyefinity 2400 x 1920 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 850W * 7 x WDC WD1002FAEX * Creative Soundblaster Z * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Mamba TE * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Logitech Z-2300 * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *
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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 21 Mar 2010, 22:20

  • Korlus - Blue Suns Facility (Recruit Grunt mission)
    Sudden airlift while standing behind an iron pillar. Just scoped for a snipershot at a Blue Suns Trooper in the distance, i didn't even make the shot cuz hop, uplifted.

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    Moved camera backwards for a better view on the situation

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    Looking around and seeing textures closeby disappear

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    Reload savegame.
    There, that place was it...

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    ...that pillar, where the friends are sitting:

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Gaming PC: * Intel i7 4790K * Noctua NH-D15S * Asus Maximus VII Hero * 32 GB Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD32GX3M4A2133C9 * 2× Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X in crossfire * Dell U3010 @ 2560 x 1600 / 60Hz * Corsair AX 1200W * 7 x WD Black HDDs * Creative Soundblaster ZxR * Asus DRW F1ST * Corsair K95 RGB * Corsair M65 PRO RGB * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Edifier S530 * Sennheiser HD598 * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *

Workhorse PC: * Intel i7 2700K @ 4.8 Ghz * Noctua NH-D15 * Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z * 32 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro CMY32GX3M4A1866C9 * Sapphire HD7970 crossfire * 3 x Dell U2410 @ Eyefinity 5760 x 1200 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 1000i * 7 x WD Black HDDs * Creative Soundblaster ZxR * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Imperator 2012 * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Edifier S730D * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *

Workhorse PC 2: * Intel i7 920 @ 3.8 Ghz * Zalman CNPS9900A LED * Asus Sabertooth x58 * 24 GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 * Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X * 2 x Dell U2412M @ Eyefinity 2400 x 1920 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 850W * 7 x WDC WD1002FAEX * Creative Soundblaster Z * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Mamba TE * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Logitech Z-2300 * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *
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Re: Mass Effect 2 most horrible bug 1: airlift

Postby Blín D'ñero » 23 Mar 2010, 04:01

  • Help Miranda mission
    Airlift at edge of container, then down into fenced location and stuck there. No escape, reload savegame.

    The lift happens on the far edge of the low fence at the right (eastern point of the crosshair)

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Gaming PC: * Intel i7 4790K * Noctua NH-D15S * Asus Maximus VII Hero * 32 GB Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD32GX3M4A2133C9 * 2× Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X in crossfire * Dell U3010 @ 2560 x 1600 / 60Hz * Corsair AX 1200W * 7 x WD Black HDDs * Creative Soundblaster ZxR * Asus DRW F1ST * Corsair K95 RGB * Corsair M65 PRO RGB * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Edifier S530 * Sennheiser HD598 * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *

Workhorse PC: * Intel i7 2700K @ 4.8 Ghz * Noctua NH-D15 * Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z * 32 GB Corsair Vengeance Pro CMY32GX3M4A1866C9 * Sapphire HD7970 crossfire * 3 x Dell U2410 @ Eyefinity 5760 x 1200 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 1000i * 7 x WD Black HDDs * Creative Soundblaster ZxR * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Imperator 2012 * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Edifier S730D * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *

Workhorse PC 2: * Intel i7 920 @ 3.8 Ghz * Zalman CNPS9900A LED * Asus Sabertooth x58 * 24 GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 * Sapphire R9 280X Vapor-X * 2 x Dell U2412M @ Eyefinity 2400 x 1920 / 60Hz * Corsair HX 850W * 7 x WDC WD1002FAEX * Creative Soundblaster Z * Optiarc AD 5240S * Steelseries 7G * Razer Mamba TE * Steelseries 9HD * Coolermaster STC T01 * Logitech Z-2300 * Windows 7 Ultimate x64 *
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